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EmperorTippy · Jul 29, 2005, 05:25 AM // 05:25

My point isn't overspecilazation it's that I would use the full set just to cast enchants and be able to cast Protective bond with only 1 energy lost per hit 60% of the time (I already have a +1 20% weapon a +1 20% focus in that build) and have the potential to get a lvl 19 protective enchant off (No idea what this would do to many skills). As soon as the enchants are applied I would switch to whatever armor ssetup that I normally use and have the best of both worlds. This first off makes PvP characters weaker vs. PvE characters and then hurts the poor players (mony wise i mean not that their bad players) by their not being able to afford the full set of whatever armor and the pices needed for whatever set they usally use.

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 05:53 AM // 05:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOT

Dye abuse? What the hell is 'dye abuse'? Is there some congressional oversight comittee on the phenomenon of abusing dye? What the hell?

You'll have to invest more attribute points in irony, I'm afraid.

This thread has (well, since quite a while now) officially turned into a flamewar. And yes, I'm also to blame for this.

I have an outspoken opinion on the mixing of armor, and so be it. It was never my intention to make you agree with me nor insinuate that people be punished for doing so. Heck, I do so too, in certain circumstances.

Anyway, it seems to have triggered the wrath of a lot of people, who have then taken great pleasure in turning my words against me time and time again. But don't worry, I'd have done the same thing in your place. After all, THIS IS TEH INTARWEB!!!

Also, it's taken us away from the main subject, which was having a bonus for a full set, regardless of what you like to use more or what you think looks good or not.

EmperorTippy makes a good point which I could nearly accept as a closing argument to counter my suggestion, but once again, I don't believe any single build (even taken to level 18 or more) guarantees de facto victory. Especially considering your opponents can do the same.

Also about people with more money: they will always have the advantage, even without the added bonus I suggested. Fortunately, GW is built in such a way that sheer skill really does prevail over better equipment. This said, it's usually the most skilled people who have the best equipment. The only way to remedy this is to completely split pvp from pve and make everything available to anyone in pvp. And then we'll definitely have Unreal Tournament with swords and spellcasters.

Now this discussion is going nowhere and it saddens me most, since I started it with the best of intentions. So my most sincere apologies to those who might think that I'm just a troll of some sorts. It's an honest suggestion and after all the naysaying I still think it's a good idea. Not that it matters, in the end.

And about switching armors in mid-battle: huge balancing flaw, in my humble (and much contested) opinion. It never even occured to me. Didn't even think it was possible. Switching weapons is already pretty unfair with regard to pure pvp'ers.

PieXags · Jul 29, 2005, 07:05 AM // 07:05

I personally enjoy changing armor while after I've just ran away from a battle, hell for my necro it's important, if I don my tormentors set I'll get raped by smiting, no other class gets raped by a certain type of attack by wearing a set of armor, so it's almost a must for me to switch to another set if I encounter a smiting group.

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 07:17 AM // 07:17

Yeah, taking this into consideration, it really is a bad idea to add a bonus, however small.

I'm taking this discussion here:

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=38766

ShinJin Kahn · Jul 29, 2005, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Lagg I actually agree with you, small bonus would be cool, but it still wouldn't be as good as mixing so it even's it out.

But TBH, your wasting you time arguing with these narrow minded people, they'll never understand.

Luxx · Jul 29, 2005, 08:43 AM // 08:43

I wear a full set of armor; how does that make me a "stupid, ignorant, narrowminded person"? To call someone that is just plain rude, you know.

I don't care whether there's a "bonus" or not, nor do I care about combining pieces. I like my armor the way it is.

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 08:48 AM // 08:48

Well thanks for siding with me, ShinJin. I must say that the barrage of negative reactions was sort of getting to me, but they make a valid point in the end. The whole armor switching thing does put things into perspective.

If the devs would actually change that (which I doubt they will), then I'll be back on the frontline supporting the cause of the tiny bonus for wearing a complete set.

One day, further generations will look back upon my just fight with disbelief, amazement and pride. Well, disbelief, mostly.

(Yes, we are getting our panties in a bunch over nothing.)

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 08:51 AM // 08:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Luxx

I wear a full set of armor; how does that make me a "stupid, ignorant, narrowminded person"?

I took myself as example and assumed the rest of you weird "full set" people would be pretty much the same.

I also smell slightly of cabbage.

Smudger · Jul 29, 2005, 09:18 AM // 09:18

I agree with you Lagg. I think players should have the choice to mix and match or have completes sets. The added bonus for a complete set would would just give you something else to think about. Each to his own. Long live the right to choose and lets hope the Devs give us that option.

Gs-Cyan Bloodbane · Jul 29, 2005, 09:30 AM // 09:30

dude i mixed and matched my necro armor to make it look really good.

Female
Tormentor tunic
necrotic pants
fanatic gloves(love the flared sleeves)
then bloodstained boots

Plus i made this putrid cammo green for it. I have yet to see a necro looking like me other then my head really. nothing says it has to be in the same style to be a complete set.

TheTim · Jul 29, 2005, 12:57 PM // 12:57

There is definetly a benefit to mixing and I think sometimes (depending on how you look at it) a negative side to having a full set of armor. ie: Mixing armor with gladiators and knights to get the energy bonus and the armor/absorption bonus is good. I think it would be good to give a small bonus, but I think the bonus should be a choice. When you wear a complete set for the first time you get to choose what "small" bonus you get.

That way you if I get all Dragonscale Armor I can choose to have an energy bonus put on it of like 3 or something. It doesn't add up to the energy bonus you would get from all gladiators but allows you more flexibility with the look of your character without having to feel like u are giving up something you have come to rely on, like more energy.

Also any time a certain situation gives you a bonus, naturally people that don't fall into that certain situation are going to feel like they are being punished. Its the glass half empty/full thing.

But if you think about it the people with the full set are generally at more a disadvantage than those with mixed armor. So I think a small bonus would only make the full set more appealing than a mixed set.

(plus a full set of armor shouldn't include the HELM/hat/cap in that since there are so many different ones out there).

Fox Reeveheart · Jul 29, 2005, 05:02 PM // 17:02

I like the idea O.o reminds me of diablo 2 before it got bot swarmed

MSecorsky · Jul 29, 2005, 05:27 PM // 17:27

You have a full set, you like it and want something extra for having something you like. Not worth the coding effort when GW has other things to work on.

Besides, you already get the bonuses, if you look for them, albeit no topper bonus. Full druids set gives more energy than if you wear different pants, for example.

Too Diabloesque of an idea for GW, imo.

tolokoph · Jul 29, 2005, 06:16 PM // 18:16

heh.. a little diabloesque would make this game go a heck of a lot longer.. I was just debating on reinstalling the game lastnight as a matter of fact..

No other game on the market has the replayability of that game and all the different drops/mods.. Basically in my mind the best game on the market.. and its howmany years old?

Lagg · Jul 29, 2005, 07:57 PM // 19:57

Well, we all know Arenanet's relationship to Blizzard. If things had worked out differently over at Blizzard North, we'd be playing Diablo 3 now and there wouldn't even be such a thing as Guild Wars*. And we'd have the brilliant Diablo storyline to go with Guild Wars' amazing artwork (but so-so narrative).

But things are the way they are, so I can relate to the devs trying to make it at least a little different from Diablo's mechanics. This is why I'm definitely not asking for collectibles like Diablo 2 had; just a little extra to existing sets.

(*) Cap'n, flamers off the starboard bow! Yes, yes, I know it's a lot more complicated than that. And Diablo 3 will probably still see the daylight someday. But you get my train of thought. Or you don't.